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DMA

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Para quem quiser ler um bocado sobre os últimos 20 anos:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/a-history-on-blood-transfusions-in-cycling-part-2/

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/a-history-on-blood-transfusions-in-cycling-part-3/

After the 1977 confession from Joop Zoetemelk transfusions don't appear again in the known history of cycling until 1984 when, in January of that year, Francesco Moser beat Eddy Merckx's 1972 Hour Record, twice in the space of five days.

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Quite when Conconi began working with blood transfusions is not clear. What is known is that in the early 1980s the Italian athletics federation, with the support of the Italian Olympic committee (CONI) had put Conconi in overall charge of the preparation of their athletes ahead of the Los Angeles Games in 1984. And that doping – with both drugs and blood – was part of Conconi's armory.

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In 1985 a question was tabled in the Italian parliament, asking the health minister to state whether or not blood transfusions were against the rules ... When faced with a parliamentary question from Ceci, the Italian health minister didn't care whether transfusions could be tested for or not. They were declared illegal under Italian law.

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The US team in 1984 ... The American cyclists had a great Games. A medal drought dating back to 1912 was ended in spectacular fashion, with the cycling squad bringing home nine medals, four of them gold. Blood doping wasn't the sole cause – the Americans were helped by the absence of the Soviet riders and by the presence of some pretty good riders – but blood transfusions did play a role in some of the successes: five of the squad's medallists, along with three others, confessed to having used transfusions. When this was made public, months after the Games ended, all the medals won were tainted by the stain of blood.

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Between the US Olympic squad and Moser's Hour rides, 1984 proved to be something of a watershed year for the use of blood transfusions in cycling. But there was more going on that just those two cases. New evidence has recently come to light which suggests that transfusions also became part of the doping armory in the Continental peloton.

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Ferrari was on the staff at the University of Ferrara and part of the team Francesco Conconi had assembled to prepare Moser for the Hour. In 1984 Ferrari was moonlighting with Moser's squad, splitting his time between Ferrara and Gis. For the 1985 season he went full time with the team. In 1986 Moser switched squads and joined Gianluigi Stanga's Supermacati outfit and Ferrari went with him. Ferrari stayed with Stanga through to 1989, by which time the team had become Château d'Ax. It was there that he first hooked up with Toni Rominger

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Rominger setting a new Hour record toward the end of the 1994 season acted as an advertisement for Ferrari's abilities, especially with Rominger doing a Moser, first beating the record by 792 metres and then coming back two weeks later to stuff another 1,459 metres onto the distance.

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By the end of the 1980s, transfusions are thought to have fallen out of favour. There was talking of developing a test to detect them – Bo Berglund published a paper, Detection of autologous blood transfusions in cross-country skiers, in which he proposed a form of indirect detection based on the difference between two samples taken a week apart – but that isn't what is supposed to have drawn the curtain closed on the use of blood transfusions. No, they're supposed to have fallen out of favour because they were superceded by the new thing: EPO.

Quite when this happened is not clear, different people will give you different dates anywhere between 1987 and 1992. It is clear that, at the Winter Olympics in Calgary in 1988 the existence of EPO was already being discussed openly.

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And what is also clear is that as early as 1988 bodies were beginning to pile up on mortuary slabs as athletes in several sports began to experiment with EPO and die

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On a simple cost/benefit comparison EPO trounced transfusions, made them redundant. Though expensive in the early years EPO's price quickly fell. But even above the cost, EPO was logistically less complicated than transfusions, vials of EPO could be transported in ice-packed thermos flasks. There was simply no reason to engage in the hassle of expensive transfusions. Until, that is, tests for EPO came along in 2000/2001. At which stage transfusions – which were still undetectable – once more became part of the doping armory.

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Pretty much from the moment the EPO tests arrived – at the Sydney Olympics in 2000 and ahead of the 2001 Classics season – transfusions were being whispered about

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In 1997 the haematocrit test was introduced. It is not inconceivable that, as soon as that arrived, some began turning to transfusions as a means of fighting the restrictions the H-test was imposing upon them and didn't need to wait for an actual EPO test to spur them on.
 

Carolina

Well-Known Member
há coisas que me ultrapassam...

William Bonnet (FDJ), the rider who suffered most from the stage 3 crash in the Tour de France, is spending his days strapped to a neck and back brace in order to let his fractured vertebrae heal, but he still has to do his duty as a professional cyclist and be subjected to anti-doping controls.

Bonnet joked on Twitter about the late-evening out-of-competition test, saying "Is this targeted testing? Simple, I won't be leaving my house for three months. No racing until 2016. 22h"

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/new...ead-etixx-quickstep-in-clasica-san-sebastian/

o controlo anti-doping é simplesmente ridículo.
 

plx

New Member
Não acho que se ja ridiculo, é o que torna o ciclismo o desporto mais limpo do mundo.
E falar nisso ha novidades escaldanteas no atletismo...
Deixo so umas citações, fiquem livres para ver o resto e partilhar aqui as mais interessantes ja agora.

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 2h2 hours ago
#Doping Ashenden: "Looking at these result, I have absolutely no doubt that the endurance disciplines at World Championships and Olympics were filled with blood doping. I feel sorry for the clean athletes, because it was simply impossible to have any chance against some of the blood values which I have seen in this database."

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 2h2 hours ago
#Doping "Some of the results and values were outright bizarre, the worst I have ever seen in my career."

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 2h2 hours ago
#Doping "In the past there always have been some athletes with way too suspicious values, but in this database I am seeing it is soincredibly widespread..the number of athletes who post such extreme values and results, I can't believe what I have seen.

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 2h2 hours ago
#Doping Ashenden: "In the database it was not just the medalists who had extreme blood values. Looking at number of EPO-deaths in cycling I am afraid there could be an even way bigger 'trail of death' in athletics, when it comes to EPO-deaths."

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 2h2 hours ago
#Doping "Some of the values were so extreme, so dangerous, that it was clearly done without any form of medical supervision."
"I can not imagine any medical professional would have allowed these. Some of the athletes took huge risks to die with these values"

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 2h2 hours ago
#Doping Results of the experts all put together: "Around 33% of endurance medals at WC's and Olympics are won by athletes who are seen as suspicious by at least 1 of the experts in this investigation." 15-20% of medals are won by athletes about who at least 1 expert is pretty much completely sure he or she has doped."
Ashenden: "Very often, at least 2 medals in endurance disciplines are won by athletes who are doping/have doped."
In one of the events, I am confident to say all 3 medallists have taken doping at some point in their career."

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 2h2 hours ago
#Doping Almost 70% of the athletes which are "likely to be doped" (according to the experts) have not had any kind of trouble whatsoever

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 1h1 hour ago
#Doping Parisotto: "Someone must have seen these results, someone inside IAAF, national federations, etc. This person then has not ringed rang* an alarm bell or anything, with these values that means that person clearly did not do a very good job."

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 1h1 hour ago
#Doping Since the 2000 Olympics, around 150 medals at WC's and Olympics have been won by athletes with highly suspicious blood values.

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 1h1 hour ago
#Doping Total number of athletes with suspicious blood values in cycling: Around 2%. Athletics: Around 8%. (in 2010)

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 1h1 hour ago
#Doping Ashenden: "Given the date of some extreme values, in my opinion athletics is in the same situation as cycling 5-20 years ago"

Heywoodu U. Cuddleme ‏@heywoodu 1h1 hour ago
#Doping Parisotto: "When it comes to fighting doping, athletics is probably around 10-15 years behind when compared to cycling."

Fonte: https://twitter.com/heywoodu
 

Carolina

Well-Known Member
tu achas que faz algum sentido gastar recursos com o bonnet neste momento?

teve uma queda gravíssima, vai estar afastado da competição até ao próximo ano, está proibido de sair de casa durante 3 meses enquanto recupera e vais controlá-lo a ele? ainda por cima deve andar a tomar medicação para o problema que teve.

os recursos que gastaram com ele teriam sido mais bem empregues a controlar outro ciclista. a FDJ tem mais 8 ciclistas que participaram no tour e foram controlar o único que não tem interesse.
 

plx

New Member
Nao é por estar nessa situação que tem melhor tratamento que os outros. Pode nao ser bonito mas a verdade é que se os atletas vêm buracos no sistema aproveitam logo. Assim fica aqui o aviso, o que é positivo.
Não sei se o que aconteceu ao Contador o ano passado nao estara relacionado(parte a perna e depois aparece naquela forma)
 

Carolina

Well-Known Member
Stars such as Britain's Mo Farah and Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt recorded no abnormal results.

LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

o treinador do Mo andou só envolvido numa data de esquemas de doping e o Bolt é, milagrosamente, o único jamaicano que ainda não foi apanhado.
 

SantosDaCasa

Well-Known Member
"very disturbed by these new allegations... which will, once again, shake the foundation of clean athletes worldwide"

Mas ainda há atletas limpos em alta competição? E mesmo que existam, será que eles próprios não se apercebem que os outros se dopam??
Até parece que isto ainda é surpresa para alguém...
 

GMQ

Well-Known Member
Isso foi de algum batido que tomou! Eles estranham sempre. É como aquela do cigano apanhado a roubar um cavalo. "Ai senhor garda hê achê uma corda e ê pexei e no fim tava o cavalo. ê nã roubei sor garda. LOL
 

Carolina

Well-Known Member
ele vai reformar-se mais cedo. já tinha sido suspenso 6 meses com a cena do armstrong. a segunda "recaída" são 8 anos, portanto pode arrumar já as rodas.

os gajos da garmin insistem em manter gente da US Postal e depois admiram-se...
 

Carolina

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o director da cannondale garmin disse, quando criou a garmin, que se algum dos seus ciclistas fosse apanhado a equipa terminava.

eles acabaram de se retirar do tour do utah, que começa daqui a umas horas! vamos lá ver no que isto dá.
 

GMQ

Well-Known Member
Carolina o Boss não o Vaughters?? O gajo colega do LAnce. Julgo que quando se mudou foi um dos que subitamente deu positivo, aliás há quem especule que terá havido mão do Lance, pois as suas prestações estava a deixar o lance um pouco preocupado, e refiro-me ao CRI Mont Ventoux. Pelo que vi em documentários/filme e li o homem ficou com uma repulsa ao doping. sempre ouvi dizer que o projecto Garmin Sharp era 100% clean. Por isso não me admira muito que o homem tome uma decisão desse género.
 

Carolina

Well-Known Member
sim, é esse mesmo.

ele deu uma entrevista no inicio deste ano onde disse que mesmo com a junção da cannondale, a politica de tolerância zero se ia manter.
 

GMQ

Well-Known Member
Era só para confirmar. O wigo lá correu naquele tour que marcou o regresso do Lance, julgo eu. Andaram a disputar o 3 e o 4. Em 2012, o homem escreveu um artigo de opinião sobre doping.

In August 2012 Vaughters published an opinion column in 'The New York Times' entitled 'How to Get Doping Out of Sports' in which he stated his opposition to doping and expressed his regret over taking drugs during his cycling career.[3]
 
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